Or maybe it's the fungus under the ground is kind of like a broker and decides who gets what. It was done by radiolab, called "smarty plants". Charts. ROBERT: Yeah. ROBERT: What do mean, the fungi will give me my sugar back? ROBERT: He gives us a magnifying glass. MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah. ROBERT: There's -- on the science side, there's a real suspicion of anything that's anthropomorphizing a plant. Today, Robert drags Jad along ona parade for the surprising feats of brainless plants. On the fifth day, they take a look and discover most of the roots, a majority of the roots were heading toward the sound of water. But it didn't happen. And moved around, but always matched in the same way together. ROBERT: And he pokes it at this little springtail, and the springtail goes boing! And so the whole family and uncles and aunts and cousins, we all rush up there. Like the bell for the dog. So they might remember even for a much longer time than 28 days. Yeah. Smarty Plants by Radiolab | Podchaser Episode from the podcast Radiolab Next Episode Smarty Plants Released Wednesday, 14th February 2018 3 people rated this episode About Insights Pro Reviews Creators 9 Lists 1 Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? We need to take a break first, but when we come back, the parade that I want you to join will come and swoop you up and carry you along in a flow of enthusiasm. But maybe it makes her sort of more open-minded than -- than someone who's just looking at a notebook. [laughs]. Is it, like -- is it a plant? Remember that the roots of these plants can either go one direction towards the sound of water in a pipe, or the other direction to the sound of silence. So that's where these -- the scientists from Princeton come in: Peter, Sharon and Aatish. Yeah, and I have done inspections where roots were coming up through the pipe into the house. It was like -- it was like a huge network. That's the place where I remember things. This episode was produced by Annie McEwen. I wanted to talk to them because, as building inspectors they -- there's something they see over and over and over. Dedicated to enhancing the lives of the citizens in the communities it serves by responding to their need to be engaged, educated, entertained & enlightened. ROBERT: Science writer Jen Frazer gave us the kind of the standard story. They can also send warning signals through the fungus. So light is -- if you shine light on a plant you're, like, feeding it? And so on. And right in the middle of the yard is a tree. Jennifer told Latif and I about another role that these fungi play. ROBERT: Had indeed turned and moved toward the fan, stretching up their little leaves as if they were sure that at any moment now light would arrive. Can the tree feel you ripping the roots out like that? And she says this time they relaxed almost immediately. And lignin is full of nitrogen, but also compounds like nitrogen is important in DNA, right? Little fan goes on, little light goes on, both aiming at the pea plant from the same direction. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. LINCOLN TAIZ: Yes. Is that what -- is that what this? I'm a research associate professor at the University of Sydney. ROBERT: So I think what she would argue is that we kind of proved her point. No boink anymore. So the -- this branching pot thing. JAD: Well, okay. Ring, meat, eat. They will send out a "Oh, no! Or No. ROBERT: Connecting your house to the main city water line that's in the middle of the street. ROBERT: Instead of eating the fungus, it turns out the fungus ate them. ROBERT: She thinks that they somehow remembered all those drops and it never hurt, so they didn't fold up any more. LATIF: Wait. And it's in that little space between them that they make the exchange. Absolutely not. Into which she put these sensitive plants. You know, one of those little jeweler's glasses? ROBERT: Eventually, she came back after ROBERT: And they still remembered. No. And to me, here are three more reasons that you can say, "No, really! So it's predicting something to arrive. [laughs] When I write a blog post, my posts that get the least traffic guaranteed are the plant posts. ROBERT: But it has, like, an expandable ROBERT: Oh, it's an -- oh, listen to that! That's a parade I'll show up for. And we saw this in the Bronx. Did Jigs emerge? And if you go to too many rock concerts, you can break these hairs and that leads to permanent hearing loss, which is bad. Now, can you -- can you imagine what we did wrong? It's doing like a triple double axel backflip or something into the sky. And the tubes branch and sometimes they reconnect. And again. ROBERT: Truth is, I think on this point she's got a -- she's right. I mean, I -- it's a kind of Romanticism, I think. ROBERT: So the beetles don't want to eat them. ROBERT: And that's where the fungus comes in. ROBERT: Jennifer says that what the tubes do is they worm their way back and forth through the soil until they bump into some pebbles. I spoke to her with our producer Latif Nasser, and she told us that this -- this network has developed a kind of -- a nice, punny sort of name. JENNIFER FRAZER: Into which she put these sensitive plants. I can scream my head off if I want to. She made sure that the dirt didn't get wet, because she'd actually fastened the water pipe to the outside of the pot. [laughs]. JENNIFER FRAZER: These little soil particles. ROBERT: When people first began thinking about these things, and we're talking in the late 1800s, they had no idea what they were or what they did, but ultimately they figured out that these things were very ancient, because if you look at 400-million-year-old fossils of some of the very first plants JENNIFER FRAZER: You can see, even in the roots of these earliest land plants JENNIFER FRAZER: This is a really ancient association. -- they spring way up high in the air. I don't really need it all right now. ], [ROY HALLING: Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. Pics! It's just this incredible communications network that, you know, people had no idea about in the past, because we couldn't -- didn't know how to look. And every day that goes by, I have less of an issue from the day before. So he brought them some meat. MONICA GAGLIANO: And it's good it was Sunday. Can Robert get Jad to join the march? We're just learning about them now, and they're so interesting. And the tubes branch and sometimes they reconnect. LARRY UBELL: Me first. From Tree to Shining Tree. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. There are multiple ways of doing one thing, right? You should definitely go out and check out her blog, The Artful Amoeba, especially to the posts, the forlorn ones about plants. That's the place where I remember things. Isn't -- doesn't -- don't professors begin to start falling out of chairs when that word gets used regarding plants? ROBERT: And look, and beyond that there are forests, there are trees that the scientists have found where up to 75 percent of the nitrogen in the tree turns out to be fish food. Like, how can a plant -- how does a plant do that? So they might remember even for a much longer time than 28 days. I go out and I thought there's no one here on Sunday afternoon. Me first. JAD: Wait. ROBERT: Packets of minerals. I'll put it down in my fungi. So they didn't. That is correct. Yeah. ROBERT: What happened to you didn't happen to us. MONICA GAGLIANO: Exactly, which is pretty amazing. Inspector Tail is his name. And then I needed to -- the difficulty I guess, of the experiment was to find something that will be quite irrelevant and really meant nothing to the plant to start with. It would be all random. And her family included a dog named Jigs. ROBERT: So you just did what Pavlov did to a plant. I don't want that.". It's a family business. JAD: You're doing the -- like, okay first it was the roots under the ground all connected into a whole hive thing. JAD: It's like every time I close my eyes, you're coming at it from a different direction. ROBERT: But the drop was just shocking and sudden enough for the little plant to ROBERT: Then Monica hoists the plant back up again and drops it again. Okay. ROBERT: That's a -- learning is something I didn't think plants could do. So I don't have a problem. 526; 4 years ago; Smarty Plants by Radiolab. Would just suck up through photosynthesis. When we last left off, I'm just saying you just said intelligence. ROBERT: But then, scientists did an experiment where they gave some springtails some fungus to eat. For this part of our broadcast, I'd like to begin by imagining a tall, dark, dense, green forest. Same as the Pavlov. These sensitive hairs he argues, would probably be able to feel that tiny difference. On the fifth day, they take a look and discover most of the roots, a majority of the roots were heading toward the sound of water. JENNIFER FRAZER: With when they actually saw and smelled and ate meat. It's okay, puppy. To play the message, press two. You have a forest, you have mushrooms. ROBERT: That there was a kind of a moral objection to thinking it this way. So after much trial and error with click and hums and buzzes She found that the one stimulus that would be perfect was A little fan. And then Monica would Just about, you know, seven or eight inches. And why would -- why would the fungi want to make this network? JAD: Yeah, absolutely. You need the nutrients that are in the soil. They remembered what had happened three days before, that dropping didn't hurt, that they didn't have to fold up. It's condensation. Now the plants if they were truly dumb they'd go 50/50. Is that what -- is that what this? The part where the water pipe was, the pipe was on the outside of the pot? ROBERT: All right, that's it, I think. It's an integral part of DNA. So that voice belongs to Aatish Bhatia, who is with Princeton University's Council on Science and Technology. If you get too wrapped up in your poetic metaphor, you're very likely to be misled and to over-interpret the data. Except in this case instead of a chair, they've got a little plant-sized box. ], Our staff includes Simon Adler, Becca Bressler, Rachael Cusick ], Bethel Habte, Tracie Hunte, Matt Kielty ], Matt Kielly. They play with sound and story in a way that's incredibly intriguing, I was instantly hooked with More Perfect. The fungus is hunting. But when we look at the below ground structure, it looks so much like a brain physically, and now that we're starting to understand how it works, we're going, wow, there's so many parallels. I don't really need it all right now. MONICA GAGLIANO: Like for example, my plants were all in environment-controlled rooms, which is not a minor detail. JENNIFER FRAZER: They're called springtails, because a lot of them have a little organ on the back that they actually can kind of like deploy and suddenly -- boing! And it's good it was Sunday. ALVIN UBELL: The glass is not broken. ROBERT: So light is -- if you shine light on a plant you're, like, feeding it? If you get too wrapped up in your poetic metaphor, you're very likely to be misled and to over-interpret the data. JENNIFER FRAZER: From a particular direction. And the -- I'm gonna mix metaphors here, the webs it weaves. Couple minutes go by And all of a sudden we could hear this barking and yelping. And I mean, like, really loved the outdoors. If I want to be a healthy tree and reach for the sky, then I need -- I need rocks in me somehow. Remember I told you how trees make sugar? They may have this intelligence, maybe we're just not smart enough yet to figure it out. Listen to one of these podcasts: (Read the summaries and choose the one you want) Radiolab - Update: CRISPR Radiolab - Cellmates Radiolab - Shrink Radiolab - From Tree to Shining Tree Radiolab - Antibodies Part 1: CRISPR Radiolab - Galapagos Radiolab - Smarty Plants Radiolab - Super Cool For the main post please include: Title And I do that in my brain. There was some kind of benefit from the birch to the fur. ], [ROY HALLING: Matt Kielty, Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Andy Mills, Latif Nasser, Malissa O'Donnell. It's almost as if the forest is acting as an organism itself. Finally, one time he did not bring the meat, but he rang the bell. So this is our plant dropper. Transcript. The fungi needs sugar to build their bodies, the same way that we use our food to build our bodies. So actually, I think you were very successful with your experiment. MONICA GAGLIANO: Would the plant do the same? Radiolab. Exactly. And again. LARRY UBELL: You got somewhere to go? ROBERT: And I met a plant biologist who's gonna lead that parade. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: With help from Amanda Aronczyk, Shima Oliaee ], [LARRY UBELL: Niles Hughes, Jake Arlow, Nigar Fatali ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: Phoebe Wang and Katie Ferguson. Because if I let you go it's gonna be another 20 minutes until I get to talk. SUZANNE SIMARD: And there was a lot of skepticism at the time. It should have some. So you are related and you're both in the plumbing business? SUZANNE SIMARD: I know. MONICA GAGLIANO: Like for example, my plants were all in environment-controlled rooms, which is not a minor detail. Of the tree's sugar goes down to the mushroom team? JAD: So today we have a triptych of experiments about plants. He gives us a magnifying glass. Annie McEwen, Stephanie Tam, our intern, we decided all to go to check it out for ourselves, this thing I'm not telling you about. I'll put it down in my fungi. SUZANNE SIMARD: Jigs emerged. ROBERT: So for three days, three times a day, she would shine these little blue lights on the plants. And the tree happens to be a weeping willow. MONICA GAGLIANO: It's a very biased view that humans have in particular towards others. JENNIFER FRAZER: Oh, yeah. ROBERT: When we last left off, I'm just saying you just said intelligence. ROBERT: Monica's work has actually gotten quite a bit of attention from other plant biologists. Or at the time actually, she was a very little girl who loved the outdoors. I think if I move on to the next experiment from Monica, you're going to find it a little bit harder to object to it. No question there. I mean, to say that a plant is choosing a direction, I don't know. ROBERT: All right, never mind. Like, they don't have ears or a brain or anything like, they couldn't hear like we hear. So that's what the tree gives the fungus. A little while back, I had a rather boisterous conversation with these two guys. If there was only the fan, would the plant After three days of this training regime, it is now time to test the plants with just the fan, no light. But let me just -- let me give it a try. Well, it depends on who you ask. So he brought them some meat. Now, can you -- can you imagine what we did wrong? You mean you got down on all fours and just And so my mom always talks about how she had to constantly be giving me worm medicine because I was -- I always had worms. ALVIN UBELL: The tree will wrap its roots around that pipe. ROBERT: She says what will happen under the ground is that the fungal tubes will stretch up toward the tree roots, and then they'll tell the tree SUZANNE SIMARD: With their chemical language. I spoke to her with our producer Latif Nasser, and she told us that this -- this network has developed a kind of -- a nice, punny sort of name. They need light to grow. ROBERT: So you're like a metaphor cop with a melty heart. JENNIFER FRAZER: Then he would bring them the meat and he would ring a bell. But we don't know. And of course we had to get Jigs out. Turns the fan on, turns the light on, and the plant turns and leans that way. JAD: So today we have a triptych of experiments about plants. ROBERT: Oh, hunting for water. That's amazing and fantastic. So I'd seal the plant, the tree in a plastic bag, and then I would inject gas, so tagged with a -- with an isotope, which is radioactive. Different kind of signal traveling through the soil? And so we're digging away, and Jigs was, you know, looking up with his paws, you know, and looking at us, waiting. LARRY UBELL: Yeah, and I have done inspections where roots were coming up through the pipe into the house. LARRY UBELL: That -- that would be an interesting ALVIN UBELL: Don't interrupt. ROBERT: And she was willing to entertain the possibility that plants can do something like hear. They're called feeder roots. Okay? ROBERT: I know -- I know you -- I know you don't. But the Ubells have noticed that even if a tree is 10 or 20, 30 yards away from the water pipe, for some reason the tree roots creep with uncanny regularity straight toward the water pipe. This is the headphones? Jigs is in trouble!" But instead of dogs, she had pea plants in a dark room. That's what she says. I mean, I see the dirt. I know -- I know you -- I know you don't. Just the sound of it? So maybe could you just describe it just briefly just what you did? let's do it! They have to -- have to edit in this together. It's almost as if these plants -- it's almost as if they know where our pipes are. And we were able to map the network. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. We went and looked for ourselves. Which has, you know, for dogs has nothing to do with meat. Our store also offers Grooming, Training, Adoptions, Veterinary and Curbside Pickup. So they didn't. In the podcast episode Smarty Plants, the hosts talk about whether or not you need a brain to sense the world around you; they shared a few different anecdotes, . Turns the fan on, turns the light on, and the plant turns and leans that way. ANNIE: Yeah. I've been looking around lately, and I know that intelligence is not unique to humans. Maybe not with the helmet, but yeah. He was a, not a wiener dog. Parsons' Observational Practices Lab Talking About Seeing Symposium. MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah, plants really like light, you know? ROBERT: To try to calculate how much springtail nitrogen is traveling back to the tree. And then I needed to -- the difficulty I guess, of the experiment was to find something that will be quite irrelevant and really meant nothing to the plant to start with. ROBERT: And so now we're down there. ], This is Jennifer Frazer, and I'm a freelance science writer and blogger of The Artful Amoeba at Scientific American. Maybe each root is -- is like a little ear for the plant. SUZANNE SIMARD: They can't photosynthesize. And so on. ROBERT: By the way, should we establish -- is it a fact that you're ALVIN UBELL: He's on the right track. It's a very biased view that humans have in particular towards others. The magnolia tree outside of our house got into the sewer pipes, reached its tentacles into our house and busted the sewage pipe. SUZANNE SIMARD: And so in this particular summer when the event with Jigs happened ROBERT: What kind of dog is Jigs, by the way? Yes, we are related. Was it possible that maybe the plants correctly responded by not opening, because something really mad was happening around it and it's like, "This place is not safe.". So they can't move. And it's that little, little bit of moisture that the plant will somehow sense. It should have some. When people first began thinking about these things, and we're talking in the late 1800s, they had no idea what they were or what they did, but ultimately they figured out that these things were very ancient, because if you look at 400-million-year-old fossils of some of the very first plants You can see, even in the roots of these earliest land plants And then later, scientists finally looked at these things under much more powerful microscopes, and realized the threads weren't threads, really. It's condensation. ROBERT: So now, they had the radioactive particles inside their trunks and their branches. Fan, light, lean. ROBERT: Five, four, three, two, one, drop! But it was originally done with -- with a dog. ], Test the outer edges of what you think you know. And so of course, that was only the beginning. Couldn't it just be an entirely different interpretation here? LATIF: Yeah. This is the headphones? Now, you might think that the plant sends out roots in every direction. SUZANNE SIMARD: Potassium and calcium and ROBERT: Like, can a tree stand up straight without minerals? They shade each other out. Sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh. And so of course, that was only the beginning. Ring, meat, eat. They're father and son. Connecting your house to the main city water line that's in the middle of the street. And the classic case of this is if you go back a few centuries ago, someone noticed that plants have sex. Yes. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org.]. It's like every time I close my eyes, you're coming at it from a different direction. But instead of dogs, she had pea plants in a dark room. She says what will happen under the ground is that the fungal tubes will stretch up toward the tree roots, and then they'll tell the tree With their chemical language. And I remember it was Sunday, because I started screaming in my lab. I do find it magical. Because what she does next is three days later, she takes these plants back into the lab. And it was almost like, let's see how much I have to stretch it here before you forget. Wait. And then someone has to count. ROBERT: Like, would they figure it out faster this time? You found exactly what the plants would do under your circumstances which were, I don't know, let's say a bit more tumultuous than mine. What do mean, the fungi will give me my sugar back? It's 10 o'clock and I have to go. Yeah. But the Ubells have noticed that even if a tree is 10 or 20, 30 yards away from the water pipe, for some reason the tree roots creep with uncanny regularity straight toward the water pipe. JENNFER FRAZER: Well, they do it because the tree has something the fungus needs, and the fungus has something the tree needs. ], Our staff includes Simon Adler, Brenna Farrow, David Gebel. ROBERT: So let's go to the first. LARRY UBELL: Or it's just the vibration of the pipe that's making it go toward it. ROBERT: Oh, so it says to the newer, the healthier trees, "Here's my food. Sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh. ROBERT: That is actually a clue in what turns out to be a deep, deep mystery. This is the headphones? On the outside of the pipe. Thanks to Jennifer Frazer who helped us make sense of all this. ]. But let me just -- let me give it a try. 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She took some plants, put them in a pot that restricted the roots so they could only go in one of just two directions, toward the water pipe or away from the water pipe. And then what happens? So after the first few, the plants already realized that that was not necessary. LARRY UBELL: I'm not giving my age. To try to calculate how much springtail nitrogen is traveling back to the tree. It'd be all random. They can go north, south, east, west, whatever. They learned something. Or even learn? Had indeed turned and moved toward the fan, stretching up their little leaves as if they were sure that at any moment now light would arrive. So you just did what Pavlov did to a plant. It didn't seem to be learning anything. Jul 30, 2016. crisis in the multiverse, joan pendergrass wiki, barrow county arrests 2021, Some springtails some fungus to eat toward it Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science technology. 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